It’s often said that religion began as a way for human beings to address their fear of death by envisioning a happy, even blissful afterlife for the common man (or woman). This view, though popular, is not well supported by the evidence.

True, many gravesites dating back to prehistoric times include personal possessions belonging to the deceased, which may indicate a belief in life after death – the idea being that the deceased would need these prized items in the next world. On the other hand, such items might have been interred with the dead for some other reason. Maybe they were considered to have been contaminated by whatever misfortune caused the person's demise. Maybe their inclusion was simply a sentimental gesture. 

At least some of the evidence cited for a prehistoric belief in life after death has been discredited. It was once thought that a Neanderthal burial plot in the recess of the cave had been festooned with flowers as part of an interment ritual. Though the flowers had long since disintegrated, pollen remained. Jean Auel made much of this discovery in her popular novel The Clan of the Cave Bear. More recent research, however, suggests that the pollen was deposited by burrowing rodents.

In any event, even if flowers were deliberately strewn over the body, it doesn't necessarily follow that the mourners believed in postmortem survival — and if they did, they may not have imagined it as anything to look forward to. When dealing with preliterate societies, we can only surmise what people may have been thinking.

The situation is different when we look at early literate societies, where religious beliefs are preserved in writing. Here we can see for ourselves what the priests and mythmakers really thought. From what I've seen, the earliest codified religious belief systems promise only the most limited and disappointing afterlife for most people. 

The Sumerians’ best-known literary work, the Epic of Gilgamesh, centers on the hero’s desperate search for immortality on earth. His ultimate failure is the story's tragic climax. His disappointment can be well understood. As one website puts it, the Sumerian view of the afterlife

was definitely gloomy. It was not a pleasant realm of existence, a dark, dusty land, where the bread did not taste good, their garments were only feathers to protect them from the cold and water to drink was brackish.

Similar sentiments applied in Babylon and Assyria. Kings and nobles might fare somewhat better, but no one in these cultures saw death as the doorway to a better world.

 

British_Museum_Flood_TabletPart of the Epic of Gilgamesh; this tablet, anticipating Noah, tells the story of a great flood

 

The ancient Hebrews conceived of an afterlife in only the vaguest terms, as Sheol, a shadowy realm of bloodless, half-alive spirits. The same same holds true for the ancient Greeks (and later, the Romans) who imagined a dark and desolate Hades for most people, even kings and heroes. In The Iliad, we read ad nauseam that one or another hero is struck down in battle, and with a ghastly wail his shade descends to Hades. In The Odyssey, Odysseus ventures to the entrance to Hades and encounters withered, mindless shades who are briefly revived by an offering of blood, before reverting to their former zombie-like state. 

In a later refinement, which appears as a very obvious interpolation in The Odyssey, hellish torments were envisioned for a few especially unlucky souls. Sisyphus ceaselessly rolling his rock uphill, and Tantalus tortured by food and water he cannot reach, were two of the tortured spirits who appeared in this phase of Greco-Roman mythology.

If a joyful, fear-dispelling afterlife was not the point of religion in its early stages, then what purpose did religion serve? Surprisingly enough, primitive religion (in literate societies, at least) appears to have been essentially a ”scientific" undertaking, one that attempted to provide explanations of natural phenomena. How was the universe created? How did the human race come into existence? Why are there different kinds of animals? What lies beyond the limits of the known world?

Admittedly, the answers given were purely mythological and not at all scientific in the modern sense of the empirical investigation of testable hypotheses. But the motivation – to make sense of things; to develop a logically consistent, emotionally satisfying worldview – was arguably no different from the motivation of any other intellectual explorer.

How about ethics? The truth is, there wasn’t much moral instruction in the earliest religions. Despite the inclusion of hell as something of an afterthought in its later iterations of the afterlife, Greco-Roman paganism never embraced morality in any serious way; the gods themselves were notoriously promiscuous, deceitful, and unjust. Pagan religions typically focused on rituals rather than personal behavior. For the most part, it didn't matter a great deal how you lived your own life, as long as you made the proper offerings to the gods.

Although law codes, such as the famous Code of Hammurabi, were devised and enforced in the ancient world, their purpose was to maintain order, not to ensure personal salvation. This was true even of Judaism, which eventually developed into a highly moralistic faith. Primitive Judaism centered on ritual sacrifices carried out in various "high places" (mountaintops, thought to be closer to the deity) and eventually centered exclusively in the Temple of Jerusalem, a man-made "high place," where thousands of birds and livestock animals were immolated throughout the year. It was the Hebrew prophets, examples of a later and decidedly anti-establishment trend, who stressed the importance of living a moral life as opposed to simply offering animal victims to the Temple priests. Hosea, speaking for Yahweh, declared: "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." This, at the time, was a revolutionary view. 

Early Jewish law codes, such as that found in Deuteronomy, were primarily intended to preserve the distinction between Jewish culture and the surrounding cultures that threatened to assimilate it – hence the dietary restrictions, requirement of circumcision, ritual purification, and other rules of conduct that made the Jews different from other Semitic tribes. Even the Ten Commandments, which do have a moral component, are largely concerned with ensuring that the Jewish people do not stray from the worship of Yahweh and fall prey to the siren songs of competing gods.

Though it is something of an aside, it may be worth pointing out that those other gods were "false" in the sense that they were unworthy of worship, but not in the sense that they were purely fictional. The early Hebrews seem to have believed that there were, in fact, other gods besides Yahweh, but that these gods should be spurned. In other words, at this stage of its history, Judaism was probably more henotheistic than monotheistic. Some of the earliest parts of the Hebrew Bible refer to God as Elohim, a plural term properly translated gods, but construed as singular in modern translations. There are is also at least one reference in the Bible to Yahweh presiding over councils of other gods, and there are several statements to the effect that Yahweh is superior to rival gods.* True monotheism seems to been a relatively late development.

The same is probably true of the so-called Amarna revolution during the 18th dynasty in Egypt. Akhenaton, a heretic pharaoh, attempted to supplant the main pantheon of Egyptian gods with a single god, the Aten or solar disk, but he continued to allow worship of various minor deities who were not seen as a threat to the Aten.

 

C2d9049cf42b38da25edc220b16e8c79Akhenaten worshiping the Aten

 

The mention of Egypt helps us segue back to our main point, because it is probably in Egypt that we see the most clearly defined evolution of a doctrine of personal salvation. In her book Nefertiti, Joyce Tyldesley observes:

During the Old Kingdom his semi-divine status made the king very different from his subjects, and only he could look forward to an afterlife in the presence of his fellow gods. Mere mortals could continue to exist beyond death, but they were confined to the precincts of the tomb. By the Middle Kingdom, however, the afterlife beyond the grave had been opened to all. In consequence the king’s perceived divinity on earth was weakened, although he still held sole responsibility for the preservation of maat. [p. 72]

Maat is a virtually untranslatable word that means something like natural order, harmony, and stability – similar, I think, to what Ulysses means by “degree” in his famous speech in Troilus and Cressida:

The heavens themselves, the planets and this centre
Observe degree, priority and place,
Insisture, course, proportion, season, form,
Office and custom, in all line of order;
And therefore is the glorious planet Sol
In noble eminence enthroned and sphered
Amidst the other …but when the planets
In evil mixture to disorder wander,
What plagues and what portents! what mutiny!
What raging of the sea! shaking of earth!
Commotion in the winds! frights, changes, horrors,
Divert and crack, rend and deracinate
The unity and married calm of states
Quite from their fixure! …
Take but degree away, untune that string,
And, hark, what discord follows!

Maat, like degree, might uncharitably be described as the status quo. It's the ultimate conservative doctrine – any change is dangerously disruptive, so it's better to keep things just the way they are. Egypt, very much married to this concept, remained largely static in its culture and political system for more than 3,000 years.

Still, even in ultraconservative Egypt, there were changes, as Tyldesley’s quote makes clear. The Old Kingdom pharaohs, ruling prior to 2000 BC, envisioned an afterlife for themselves as gods cavorting among the other gods in perfect freedom. Their subjects, however, would continue to exist in only the most tenuous fashion, as shades tethered to their tombs, nourished by ritualistic offerings of food and drink and kept alive by the memory of their name; and when the offerings inevitably ran out and the name was forgotten, presumably they would suffer the dreaded "second death" of total oblivion. In short, for most Egyptians, the afterlife was nothing better than Hades was for the Greeks or Sheol for the Jews. But the king would fare better.

We find a similar viewpoint in a relatively late stage of Greco-Roman society, when the Elysian Fields were imagined as a paradisiacal sporting ground for departed heroes and kings, even as the common folk remained relegated to the misty confines of Hades.  (Valhalla, home of chieftains and other military heroes, played a similar role in Norse religion.) Likewise, at the time of the Maccabean revolt (167–160 BC), some Hebrew thinkers imagined a glorious, albeit sketchily defined, afterlife for martyred rebels, who would perhaps be transformed into stars perpetually shining in the heavens; still, most Jews could look forward only to only the shadows of Sheol. 

What we might call the democratization of the afterlife follows, in the cases I know of, only after a period in which kings and warlords have been assured of their reward. As Tyldesley notes, by the Middle Kingdom, post-2000 BC, every Egyptian could hope for the happy and productive afterlife formerly promised only to the semi-divine pharaoh and other elites. At this point, in order to preserve the all-important distinction between the ruling class and the masses, pharaohs began to insist on their divinity on earth.

The same trend is observable in the later stages of the Roman era, when the Eleusian Mysteries held out the promise of a fulfilling afterlife to all initiates, regardless of social status. Even so, this approach was still not truly egalitarian. Very few people had the opportunity to participate in the lengthy initiation process, and the cult’s doctrines were a closely held secret never shared with outsiders. In fact, revealing these sacred secrets was a crime punishable by death. Apuleius, author of the famous satirical novel The Golden Ass, and himself an initiate into the Mysteries, successfully defended himself against exactly this charge. So well concealed were the secrets of the Rites of Eleusis that to this day, we aren't exactly sure what the initiation consisted of or what doctrines were imparted.

It is clear, however, that, personal immortality was assured. Plato writes in the Phaedo, “Our mysteries had a very real meaning: he that has been purified and initiated shall dwell with the gods.” Plutarch, consoling his wife after the death of their young daughter, writes,

Because of those sacred and faithful promises given in the mysteries … we hold it firmly for an undoubted truth that our soul is incorruptible and immortal. … When a man dies he is like those who are initiated into the mysteries. Our whole life is a journey by tortuous ways without outlet. At the moment of quitting it come terrors, shuddering fear, amazement. Then a light that moves to meet you, pure meadows that receive you, songs and dances and holy apparitions.

(Both quotes are taken from this website.)

Judaism has never placed much stress on postmortem survival, preferring to focus on the kind of immortality guaranteed by having children who will carry on one's name. But Christianity, originally an offshoot of Judaism, embraced personal immortality wholeheartedly and in just about the most democratic fashion possible. Anyone who converted to Christianity, a process as simple as declaring one's personal belief in Jesus as one’s savior, would be assured of a blissful eternity. It didn't matter if the person was highborn or lowborn, free or slave, male or female, Jewish or gentile, circumcised or not, or even if he was an out-and-out reprobate, so long as he repented before breathing his last. You can't get much more egalitarian than that. No doubt the promise of a glorious future life open to everyone willing to recite a simple creed largely accounts for Christianity's explosive growth in its first two centuries.

This short survey covers only a small part of the world. Trends may have been different in Mesoamerica, Africa (south of Egypt), and Asia. I don't know enough about those cultures to comment. But from what I've seen, the idea of an afterlife for the average person — one that's actually worth looking forward to — took a very long time to develop, as did monotheism and religiously grounded ethics. In historical terms, "going into the light" and finding heaven is not a primitive idea, but the result of a lengthy process of intellectual and spiritual evolution – a process that most likely is not finished, even today.

*Regarding Yahweh as the chief god among many gods, an evangelical website tells us:

The Divine Council is the view that Yahweh, The God of Israel, is the Master of a pantheon, if you will, consisting of lesser gods who serve Him, carry out His will, and even deliberate with Him in decision making. …

In several biblical passages throughout the Old Testament, we find phrases from the biblical authors exalting Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, above the gods of their pagan neighbors. … Psalm 97:9 says “For thou Lord art high above the Earth. Thou art exalted far above all gods.” … Exodus 15:11 says “Who is like unto these O Lord among the gods? Who is like thee glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders!?” … 1 Kings 8:23 says “And he said ‘Lord God of Israel, there is no god like thee in heaven above or on earth beneath who keep thy covenant with thy servants that walk before thee with all thy heart.” … Psalm 86:8 says “There is no one like You among the gods, O Lord, Nor are there any works like Yours.” 

Psalm 82 is the source of the so-called Divine Council:

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. Will
[King James Version] 

Some modern translations, such as the New International Version and the Tree of Life Version, put the word gods in quotes, or call them the so-called gods (The Voice), but these are purely face-saving measures.

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  1. Art Avatar
    Art

    Ro, that’s interesting. Hawaii! I didn’t know I was talking to a person from Hawaii. Lucky bugger! I love to go diving and fishing in the ocean. I’m stuck in Tennessee because I married a Tennessee girl. If you marry a girl from Tennessee and they ever get you to move here – you’re here for life! {grin} I’ve worked with Norway rats in biomedical research but have never seen or worked with the Black rat or roof rat. Do ya’ll have grey squirrels or Fox Squirrels in Hawaii? I suppose if you did they’d be an invasive species? A lot of the animals ya’ll do have are invasive species and not native to Hawaii. I would find that terribly interesting though.

  2. Ro Avatar
    Ro

    Art: Yes, my dad brought me to Hawaii for vacation when I was a child in the 80s, and I never got it out of my system.
    As a straight woman, I don’t think I’ll be “marrying a girl from Tennessee,” but my distant ancestors did originally come from Gibson County, TN a hundred years ago, and I’ve always wanted to go there.
    No squirrels whatsoever in Hawaii. But we have mongooses and feral pigs. Hunters have a field day with the wild pigs here, they go with their dogs, which corner and hold the pig by the snout, then the hunter moves in for the kill and attacks it with a hunting knife…from what I’ve heard. Some people find it really fun and delightful. Poor pigs. To each their own, I guess.

  3. Art Avatar
    Art

    \\”Poor pigs. To each their own, I guess.” – Ro//
    —————–
    Sorry! Didn’t know you were a female? Now I know. Wild feral pigs are a big problem in the United States. I’ve seen TV shows about wild pigs in Texas and they said there are over a million wild pigs in Texas. So many they can’t control them by hunting.
    I’ve seen wild pigs in Florida along the freeways. I saw a black sow and a litter of piglets walking behind her right along the road. I was wishing I could get a couple of those piglets and butcher and eat them. I was just imagining how delicious they’d be. {grin}
    I’ve never been to Hawaii but I think I would really enjoy going snorkeling in Hanauma Bay. I’ve read that it is a great place to go snorkeling?

  4. Aftrbrnr Avatar
    Aftrbrnr

    Hey Art, this is a fairly off topic and may seem a bit odd – you might not remember me so bear with me. Do you remember back on the near-death.com message boards (now gone it seems) a man going by the name of dking777 who talked a lot about his NDEs and made some prediction that something big was supposed to happen in 2010, the so-called “Ring of Light”?
    I found out recently “DKing” passed away at the end of January, I had him on Facebook and his father announced his passing. Some of his predictions involved him, so along with the “ring of light” prediction in 2010 being a bust, a part of me is now more skeptical about the claims he made. Not that I want to insult a man that is now gone, but I feel it is a bit natural to be inquisitive at this point.
    One of the things he claimed was he made (which you may or may not remember) some predictions which he notarized and put in “time capsules” of events that were to occur up until 2010. He claimed he sent these capsules to various people and places such as post offices and that they were supposed to be allowed to open them at the end of 2010, so far nothing has come about them.
    I do want to question some of DKing’s family members the veracity of his life story, such as his medical condition or his car accident that lead to his NDE. I don’t hold anything against him, but a part of me wonders if he had some mental issues that led to confabulation, or if he was like Dannion Brinkley who appeared to have initially made some correct predictions from NDEs and then just went off the rails for accuracy after.

  5. Art Avatar
    Art

    Aftrbrnr, I do remember somebody making some predictions on the near-death dot com message board? Man that was a LONG time ago! LOL! I can’t believe I’ve been reading about and studying this stuff for 20 years now! I got interested in NDEs and the holographic universe after we got our first computer and got hooked up to the internet. Our first computer was on dial-up and it took a long time to load.
    I think the two sites I spent the most time on were survival science and the near-death dot com message board. Also back then there was a link to the holographic universe on the survival science board and I read Dr. Ken Ring’s book Life At Death and he had a whole chapter in his book about the connection between NDEs and the holographic universe.
    That was also when I was real active on the Motely Fool Retire Early message board. I was working on trying to figure out how I could retire early. So far so good!

  6. Art Avatar
    Art

    You know who and what I remember from the near-death dot com message board? A guy named Marine Boy that used to give me hell and loved arguing with me. I think he was from England and was the kind of person who would argue with a circle saw. Talk about experiencing some duality and separation? It drove me nuts! He was the reason I quit participating on that board. Oh my God he was annoying!

  7. Michael Prescott Avatar

    “I was working on trying to figure out how I could retire early. So far so good!”
    Uh … have you checked your portfolio lately?
    ☹️😷

  8. Art Avatar
    Art

    \\”Uh … have you checked your portfolio lately?” Michael Prescott//
    —————
    Yeah, me and my wife have both taken a big hit. But I figure so has almost everybody else? We’re all in pretty much the same boat? Neither one of us has started taking distributions from any of our tax deferred accounts so I’m hoping those two extra years we get by them raising the required minimum distribution age from 70 years of age to 72 years will give us a couple of extra years for our accounts to regain some of what they’ve lost?

  9. Amos Oliver Doyle Avatar

    I can’t resist providing this link with one of the German NDEs. This is a truly amazing account of an after life experience. This man also has had OBEs since childhood. It has so many elements in it and it has a focus on love which I am sure that Bruce will be able to relate to. I hope everyone watches this video. It is well worth the time. It is one of the best accounts of an NDE that I have ever seen – AOD


  10. Sam Avatar
    Sam

    A few years ago I read a very interesting article about neuroscientists at Michigan State University who think they’ve cracked the mystery about NDE’s. The researchers medically induced cardiac arrest in two rats while monitoring EEG’s. Brain activity with advanced EEG monitoring, in the clinically dead rats, was measurable for nearly 30 minutes. Researchers claim that their discovery is the foundation to being able to explain what NDE’s really are. As technology advances neuroscientists will one day be able to know exactly what part of the brain is still active at clinical death.

  11. Michael Prescott Avatar

    The rat studies have been covered pretty extensively on this blog.
    https://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2014/07/oh-rats.html
    https://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2014/07/oh-rats-part-deux.html
    https://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2014/07/of-mice-and-men.html
    https://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2017/05/all-rats-go-to-heaven-.html
    There’s any archive search feature on the left side of this page which allows you to search the blog for older content. Given that there have been more than 1,600 posts and nearly 50,000 comments, many subjects have already been addressed.

  12. Kris Avatar
    Kris

    @Sam
    I used to really debate NDEs and I wrote this to show just how absurd the hallucination argument for NDEs is. Maybe trying to answer these will show you how absurd the hallucination models is.
    NDE Questions
    1. Why do you maintain that consciousness is poorly understood but then argue the hallucination model is more reasonable then the survival model even if the survival model is strongly suggested by the accounts?
    2. Does the hallucination model lend itself to any predictions? Can it be falsified?
    3. Why is it mainstream NDE researchers reject the hallucination argument? https://iands.org/ndes/about-ndes/common-questions.html
    4. What is the evolutionary advantage to NDEs?
    5. Hallucination according to the Mirriam Webster is defined the following way. : perception of objects with no reality usually arising from disorder of the nervous system or in response to drugs (as LSD)
    NDE accounts often start  in the environment where the experiencer is, for example a hospital room. If they report seeing the environment they are in correctly why you maintain this is a hallucination?
    6. NDEr’s  have demonstrated the ability to accurately describe surgeries being done on them ( Sabom and Sartori studies). Why is accurately describing the actions being done to you now considered a hallucination
    7. NDEr’s have correctly identified conversations and visual aspects of their environment, why is this considered now a hallucination.
    8. How can you maintain this is a hallucination when it clear that they are in reality
    9. While hallucinations might be considered to be real at the moment the person hallucinating later realizes the experience was a hallucination. Yet the overwhelming amount of NDErs ( over 99%) maintain this experience was not a hallucination. If NDEs are hallucination why this radical departure from the normal model of hallucinations.
    10. Hallucinations among those born blind or those who became blind at a young age lack visual components, however the Ring Study demonstrated that NDErs who were born blind or became blind at a young age had visual components. Why this radical departure from the normal model of hallucinations as demonstrated by dream studies of the blind. http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/what-do-blind-people-dream-about.html
    11. If NDEs are comforting  fantasies why do some people have hellish NDEs?
    12. If NDEs are fantasies why don’t children report seeing their living parents during the experience?
    13. If NDEs are fantasies why do many people report religious tension between the experience and their prior religious views?
    14. If NDEs are fantasies why do people report a life judgment stage where they experience the suffering they caused others. Also what evolutionary advantage would this provide?
    15. Hallucinations caused by a lack of oxygen (hypoxia)  start of complex but degrade to simplicity and then cease  as the brain becomes more and more damaged , while NDEs start off simple and become more complex. Please explain this if you wish to use the lack of oxygen as an explanation as this is the exact opposite pattern of an NDE. Hypoxia as an experience is incredibly frightening which is the exact opposite of the vast majority of NDEs- http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0101-60832007000700015&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en
     Also  explain the cases where patients had the normal amount of oxygen such as in an hospital setting.
    16. Hallucinations caused by an excess of Co2 cause people to see geometric shapes ,music notes and numbers, yet these features are absent from NDEs, please explain. Please explain the cases where the patient had an NDE and they had a normal amount of C02. Please explain why scuba divers with excess Co2 do not report NDEs upon returning to the surface. http://hallucinations.enacademic.com/717/geometric_hallucination
    17. Why do NDErs uniformly report seeing their deceased loved ones in the prime of their lives, not as they remembered them before they died? Why such a uniformity for a hallucination?
    18. Why do NDErs universally report communication via telepathy during the experience? Why such a uniformity for a hallucination?
    19. If these are fantasy experiences why  are the NDEs with dead pets relatively infrequent? Many people do form profound attachments with pets  so if they were hallucinating departed loved ones why not these?
    20. If you feel the tunnel experience can be explained through physiology please explain why it rarely happens outside Western NDEs?
    21. Please explain NDEs in patients under going Cardiac arrest as this instantly removes consciousness.
    22. If you feel NDEs are caused by Anesthesia Awareness please explain why the frequency of NDEs is far greater than the frequency of Anesthesia Awareness and why they describe the experience as pleasurable and not horrific.
    23. If you feel NDEs are caused by endorphins please explain how NDEs both start and stop suddenly, while Endorphins start off slow and end slow.
    24. NDE-ers often say how uncomfortable it was getting back in their body. Why should that be if they were just dreaming or hallucinating since people are already in their body when they dream?
    25. When some NDErs report meeting people who died; they often report they met people they were not close to or had poor relationship with. Why fantasize such a meeting?
    26. Please explain cases such as the Al Sullivan case and the Pam Reynold’s case that had the patient making accurate observations when the overall conditions of the surgery would have made it impossible.
    27. While not directly an NDE experience please explain “Peak in Darien” experience where dying people report to those around them that they saw someone in the afterlife who was not known to them to be dead but later was verified to be dead.
    Bruce Greyson reported a case where a boy was badly injured and had an NDE. When he came back he told his family that he had seen his sister in the afterlife and she told him he had to go back. His father asked the doctor to give him medicine as he was clearly hallucinating as his sister was away at college. However shortly after his injury his sister then unknown to the family has been killed in a car accident.
    This is such an extraordinary coincidence if these experiences are hallucinations but perfectly consistent with the view they are not.
    All of this can easily be explained if NDEs are NOT hallucinations
    These questions are tricky indeed for the hallucination model.
    All science is by it’s nature provisional. This means that as new knowledge is gained older views are rejected. For example science overturned geocentricism, the eternal age of the universe, the immovability of the continents, special creation, a mechanical world view and much more. Is it possible science could overturn the notion that the brain produces consciousness? Could materialism go the way of Newtonian Physics?

  13. Paul Avatar
    Paul

    That’s a good selection of questions Kris. I’m sitting here with popcorn looking forward to reading the answers 🙂

  14. Paul Avatar
    Paul

    Very interesting AOD. Thank you.

  15. Kris Avatar
    Kris

    Oh they can answer them in the same way creationists or mythicist answer questions against their positions; contrived and badly.
    They are their own worst enemies.

  16. Juan Avatar
    Juan

    Kris, all those questions are interesting, but no one has been able to prove that NDEs demonstrate that consciousness endures after biological death.
    > Could materialism go the way of Newtonian Physics?
    But Newtonian physics has not been rejected, it is still useful at medium scales, only it is not correct at other scales.
    Also,one thing is facts, another is theories: Newton’s physics, the theory of relativity, quantum mechanics, they are theories, if consciousness lasts after bodily death, it is a fact, not a theory, although someone could develop a theory that explains it.

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